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ftakeith 
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Joined: 14 May 2010 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 4 |
 Posted: 22 May 2010 at 12:19 |
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here is a financial arguement for the rugby organisations of the IRFU, 6 nations, European rugby cup etc that gives them new revenue streams through irish fta tv as its worked for rte and tv3 on the uefa football's champions league rights and following great irish sport teams The rugby authorities should do the following in the future- six nations 5 weekends year one week one rtetv show all 3 games week 2 tv3 show all 3 games week 3 rtetv show all 3 games week 4 tv3 show all 3 games week 5 rtetv show all 3 games year two week one tv3 show all 3 games week 2 rte2 show all 3 games week 3 tv3 show all 3 games week 4 rte2 show all 3 games week 5 tv3 show all 3 games Heineken cup year 1 group stages round one rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice round two tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice round three rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice round four tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice round five rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice round six tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice 1/4 finals rte get first choice tv3 show the 2nd choice semi finals tv3 get first choice rte show the 2nd choice final rte get the final Heineken cup year 2 group stages round one tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice round two rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice round three tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice round four rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice round five tv3 show their first choice rte show the second choice round six rte show their first choice tv3 show the second choice 1/4 finals tv3 get first choice rte show the 2nd choice semi finals rte get first choice tv3 show the 2nd choice final tv3 get the final the above deal gives both broadcasters huge rugby coverage and gives the irish fta tv coverage of €20m-€25m for 6 nations per year (€10m-€12.5m each yearly paid by rte/tv3) and another €20m-€25m per year (€10m-€12.5m each yearly paid by rte/tv3) for the heineken cup rugby fta live TG4 could also show a 3rd choice game like ulster from the heineken cup fta live or connacht's challenge cup fta games live for a small fee per year because of coverage in irish
Edited by ftakeith - 22 May 2010 at 14:46 |
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eddie laverty
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Joined: 24 May 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Posted: 24 May 2010 at 14:43 |
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It is quiet obvious that the IRFU have certainly organised their members to get at the Minister. It seems odd that rugby is the only sport that is objecting to the ministers proposals. The criticism seems strange at a time when the hard pressed taxpayer has just handed over €91 million for the stadium in Landsdowne rd and further cash for Thomond Stadium. Isnt it time there was a payback for Sean Citizen??? Every other person and organisation in Irelanf is affected by the recession so why not the IRFU. A bit of belt tightening will be required. The claimed they will be loosing €12 million. Seems a lot of money but how is this figure arrived at. We have seen no accounts to verify it.
The presentation by the IRFU board last week was a public disaster. Whatever PR company came up with this formot should be sacked as it presentd the IRFU as a group a of bullies who wanted to dictate to Minister Ryan. They should stick to what they are good at rather than politics.
So please Minister stick to your prosals and let the citizens of Ireland view the games without payment if the so wish
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Ian M
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Joined: 24 May 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Posted: 24 May 2010 at 22:45 |
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Eddie
I think that the success of rugby in attracting bigger audiences both on the terraces and on the TV speaks for itself. The present model is very clearly working. The minister needs to tread very warily before interfering. There are no plans to take the 6N off free to air. England tried and failed miserably.
The Heineken is a very special tournament that is going from strength to strength. Why not stick with the old addage that if it ain't broken, don't fix it!
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nstewart
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Joined: 18 May 2010 Location: Malahide Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
Posted: 25 May 2010 at 20:20 |
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In reply to Eddie Laverty's post.
Eddie, I think you'll find that the reason only rugby is objecting is the unique nature of funding that applies to rugby. Both 6N and ERC are organised as international, multilateral contracts between the unions. The Minister's proposal would almost certainly require the IRFU to withdraw from these contracts, leading to loss of revenue.
Norman Stewart Edited by nstewart - 25 May 2010 at 20:21 |
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Colm
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Joined: 06 May 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2 |
Posted: 26 May 2010 at 15:12 |
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Replying to "Posted: 24 May 2010 at 14:43 By eddie laverty" Rugby is not the only sport objecting to this proposal - they are the only sport to do so publicly. This I think is a good thing, it is after all a public consultation. The taxpayer monies invested into Landsdowne and Thomond will be recouped into the general economy over time through different events being held at these venues (yes you can argue the case that Croke Park removed the need for Lansdowne but that's for another day) - the idea that a grant given in boom times should now force every organisation to roll over just doesn't make sense. The recession is hitting every person (myself included) and all organisations which is more reason not to cut off or limited potential income streams. As for the presentation being a PR disaster, while I don't agree with personalising the issue, its far better that these issues are robustly debated in the open rather than horse trading behind closed doors - the more open debates like this the better, as they can only contribute towards ensuring that policy is formed and implemented in a well thought out way - well that's my humble opinion anyway! |
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NOL
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Joined: 31 May 2010 Location: Ireland Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Posted: 31 May 2010 at 21:55 |
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With regard to the proposal to make to make Heineken Cup and 6 Nations Matches permanent free-to-air events for television: I find once again that my government chooses to make superficially popular decisions as a means of gaining support among their constituents. I have to wonder how popular will Mr. Ryan and his colleagues be when they effectively kill Irish Rugby? The IRFU has already made an excellent case for why this proposal, if carried through, would prove disastrous for Irish Rugby. Therefore, I have no intention of reiterating points that have previously be made with greater skill than I can achieve. Let me, instead, give you my personal perspective on the matter. Though a very recent arrival to the world of Irish Rugby, I am now a loud, proud supporter of the Leinster and Irish rugby teams. I must admit that the knowledge that Ireland has a genuine potential for victory in rugby was no deterrent to my support, either. With that in mind, it seems that the hope of continuing to grow the sport of rugby in this country might greatly be affected by a diminished capacity for training and retaining the highest quality players. Without sufficient funds, how can the IRFU be expected to develop rugby at any level - be it grass roots or international? In a time of recession, doom and gloom tend to prevail (something I think we all can relate to). Sport can offer a chance for people to come together in celebration rather than frustration and dejection. Why then, when what the country needs most is optimism for the future, would our government put what is (arguably) the one sport at which we are competitive on an international stage in jeopardy? Not to mention the fact that government revenue is drastically down - surely support for our rugby teams through ticket sales, merchandising, travel to games and television viewing is something that generates revenue and as such should be preserved? I'm no economist, but it seems to me that the government are making a poor fiscal decision as well as an appalling one for their country's pride and sporting prowess. Perhaps the government should focus on making meaningful change in our country, rather than focussing on publicity stunts designed to curry favour through style rather than substance. If the Minister wishes help promote rugby in Ireland, perhaps he might do better to ask Irish Rugby what they need - or is the hope that they might listen to the voters with regard to any issue simply asking too much of our politicians?
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Damosmurf
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Joined: 03 June 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Posted: 03 June 2010 at 10:01 |
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It is my understanding that this proposal will give free-to-air channels first refusal to show sporting events of national significance to the whole country. ie. the minister wants to give everyone in the country the oppertunity to watch these events in their own homes.
However I wonder is the minister aware that TV3's signal cannot be picked up in large areas of rural Ireland. It seems they do not believe it's cost effective to allow the whole country watch their channel. It is already the case that some people in counties like Cork, Kerry and others can't watch GAA matches where their own county is playing because the match is on TV3.
I believe it is wrong to include TV3 as one of the free-to-air channels in this proposal until they are in a position to show the whole country (or at least 99%) these events. In fact if this proposal was to become law, a clause should be included which says that channels who wish to bid for these designated events should first have 99% coverage over the country. And this should also be applied to the events which are already designated.
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Michael dunne
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Joined: 07 June 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1 |
Posted: 08 June 2010 at 11:12 |
 I cry when the Minister talks about free to air for rugby and fails to deliver broadband as promised many many times to the WHOLE COUNTRY.
Enough said.
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